Today the Albany National played the Cardinals at SUNY Albany, and the actions of manager Herb Carter and player Richard Lanarro during and after the game were rediculous. As is expected at SUNY after the 3:00pm game, the TEAMS are suppose to rake and cover the field. Herb felt this wasn't necessary for his team today because of two perceived missed calls by the umpires during the game. He did find it necessary though to come out on the field to tell ALL the Nationals that were bringing out the tarps that "the home team is responsible for raking and covering the field," and that he "didn't feel sorry for not helping because the umpires got their monies worth today." He then proceeded to tell one of our players to "Shut up" for questioning him about why his team wasn't helping, as all the Cardinals were at their cars pulling out of the lot. This after his constant whining and complaining during the game about the two perceived missed calls. While I understand that there are questionable calls in this league all the time, there is a point where you let it go, and Herb crosssed it. There was no reason for the Cardinals to leave the fielld after the game. This is a team sport and all of the other teams in the league have no problem helping after a game win or lose, and most hang out after the game and discuss bad calls for both teams. Apparently Herb is too good for that, and honestly, I wouldn't want him hanging out after the game anyway with his attitude. And on a side note, its great that families come to the game to see their family members play, but you don't need your wife and kids on the bench. As far as I knew that is not allowed. This isn't rec-league softball. As for Richard Lanarro (#19). After arguing a called strike three and getting thrown out of the game, he felt it necessary to tell the up "F___ You!" as loud as he could with lots of young kids around. He then got into his car and peeled out like a 10th grader on the first day with his new liscense, coming very close to children playing near by. Thank God nothing happened because I'm sure Mr. Lonarro wouldn't want that hanging over his head! Bottom line is, I hope that Herb can get his act together, start acting like a team and league player, and maybe the Cardinals will start winning some games. To the rest of the team, good game, and we'll see you on the feild next time.
Hi Chris, My name is Bob Lounsbury and I am the General Manager of a team called Blue Thunder in the 47 Division. I just finished reading your posting on our league's bulletin board. I have been involved in this league for 4 years now and after reading hundreds and hundreds of bulletins - this is one I needed to reply to. I feel an deep sadness that your team had to endure all that nonsense during and after your game. I think I can speak for ALL of us in this league that we PLAY FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME.................... I hope that all those parties involved which tainted your love and maybe the Nationals love of the game on this day, come forth and simply say they were sorry. Certainly it is unfortunate that family members had to hear all that off-color language and that thank God, that others (children) were not victims of the tirade. I bet they came because of the love of the game as well. Have a great rest of the season and I hope your next game with the Cardinals has a different offering.
Not to mention that the Cardinals had nearly 10 errors in the game...Blaming it on a couple of calls by an umpire is just "losers limp." Sadly, as the umpires were walking to their cars, the manager (Herb) shouted "Umpires 2, Cardinals 0, to which the umpire told him to "grow up." SO I GUESS THE UMPS GOT AT LEAST ONE CALL RIGHT! Good job to the umpires for dealing with this in a professional way. From the stands, it was a disgusting display of pettyness and immaturity and I hope that the league president suspends both the player ejected for several games and the manager for antics unbecoming of a supposed team leader. Grown men should be responsible for their actions, and remember that its a game. I guess some just don't grow up...they just grow mustaches.
Where do I start? I want you to call me when you read this message (701-1014). I know the rules say that the home team is suppose to rake and put the tarps over the field but it is both teams that help out not just 1. This is at least the 3rd manager or player complaint in regards to the cardinals......their manager and the verbal abuse given to the umpires by their team.
I could go on forever about what I plan to do and people may question it but something will be done and you get rest assure an ultimatum will be delivered and suspensions to be handed down immediately.
Yes I know he interprets things alot different then others but you need to know when your actions are to much and other's (the entire league) have had enough. I feel bad for the guys on the cards that have to endure this action every game.
Make sure you stat your name to your post. I need to know who I am talking with?
I am afraid that the umpires handling of the situation will be lost in this. Neither umpire lost their cool, and were able to keep control of the game. There were some tough calls to be made, one was a diving catch in center and the other was a close play at second. How about if every time a fielder makes an error the umpire gets to yell at them. Then, the players can yell at the umps when they feel an error has been made on their part. We can keep it all nice and even then. But, seriously both umpires did a fine job in controlling the outbursts, and let as much go as they could. I felt the game was called well, bear in mind that I am on the Nationals, but regardless, the plays were close and could have gone either way.
Not to comment, but I do care enough about this league that, if accurately described, I'm sure Q will respond swiftly and with all due considerations.
And among the CDMSBL rules, I believe, is one that allows NO ONE in the dugouts or on the field unless he/she is on a team's roster, thus insured. In other words, no bat-boys/kids/wives, etc. It has to do with insurance and liablilty, which I believe John Reel or Kevin Jackson can speak to.
I guess what I'd really like, however, is for those who write postings sign their real name at the bottom. I don't know everyone in the 28s, so It would be nice to know who is writing. Who knows, I may be assigned to umpire more games in the 28s this season. P.S. - No, I didn't umpire the game in question, nor do I know who did. Thanx. Jim Konstantakis Giants manager 38 division
As a former member of the Cardinals team last year and now a member of the Nationals, I want to say the most exciting thing for me from Sundays game occurred when I entered the gates onto the field next to the Cardinals bench. As I walked over toward the third base dugout, I heard a voice call out "TRAITOR".
As I turned around to see who might be breaking my chops, I did not recognize anyones face. I wondered though whether or not it was the few young kids sitting there in the corner. I turned my back on the Cards dugout, I recalled playing with a group of guys that under a different circumstance, I would have enjoyed playing for again. Taz, Mario, Fred, Eddie...it was good to see you guys again. I wish you the best of luck for the rest of the season....
All of these posts on this subject just goes to show that there are a lot of guys in the CDMSBL that DO have class. Many guys in the league play for the shear love of the game whether they win or lose. That's what this is all about. Bob Noto #8 White Sox #56 Black Sox
The unfortunate part of all of this is that the actions of a few people will be so detremental to so many. Players on the Cards should know that if and when you leave the team, it may, or may not be a little more difficult to find another team to play for based on the reputation of the team you are associated with. It bit me in can once, and I hope that someone on the Cardinals team does something. The league can only do so much, ultimately we are all grown men, some member of the Cardinals needs to step up, be responsible and start laying some ground rules on how the team should conduct themselves. I would be embarrassed to be associated with that behavior.
I understand everyone's comments on what happened during/after the Nats/Cardinals game on Sunday. Yes, it wasn't called for. The umps did the best job they could. I have had many instances where I have argued calls on behalf of my team, however, you question the umps..get their answer and move on with the game. I can understand arguing the calls, but you don't lose because of the calls umpires make. You lose because of your team's play. I've been thrown out of a game before and I can honestly tell you I would never ever think about throwing "F bombs" around to prove my dismay.
Anyway, MOST of the players in the 28+, 38+ and 48+'s are gentlemen and know how to play the game. However, being in this league as long as I have you know who are the outcasts year after year.
Okay, no jokes, no inuendo, no BS. On behalf of the entire Cardinals team I would like to apologize for the actions of Pete Stevens on being ejected in the top of the seventh on Sunday. While his actions were deplorable they were quite exagerated here on the bulletin board. He understands the seriousness of the situation and it was completely unlike him. We have no problem with the mandated suspension. As to Mike's remarks that he didn't know who made the Traitor remark, why it was his good buddy Taz. I suppose he didn't hear the compliments that we were free in issuing when their team made good plays or got out of innings unscathed. As to my actions during the game, I questioned a call by the field umpire who called our runner out after being tagged in the helmet and the ball was clearly knocked out of the glove and in fact was on the groung some 20 feet away. I asked the home plate umpire for help and was told it was not his call. They then spent the intermission between innings explaining it was because the field umpire thought the play was over. I did question the call in a respectful way and we did move on with the game. A couple innings later, we again came up on the short end of a call by the same umpire on the play in center field, I saw from my vantage point in the third base coaches box, the ball hit the ground and bounce up into the diving centerfielders glove, again I questioned the call and to noones surprise the call stood. At the games end we all shook hands and the Nationals went about straightening the field as was their duty. (This was one of the first times I have ever witnessed them taking care of any field.) I do recall that earlier this year it was the Nationals not the Cardinals who were continually on the S@#$list. I did indeed say after all was said and done The real score today was field ump 2- Cardinals 0 to which the plate ump said "Grow up Herb" End of story. I have witnessed players throw bats, helmets, F-bombs, punches (Cubs-Yanks) kicks,etc and not even be spoken to. Get over it. I was upset, not manic. Lastly, I will make sure that no-ones children or wife is ever allowed in any dugout. I understand that it is an insurance issue. I'm sorry that I have allowed my children to visit the dugouts since they were two years old and I was catching in the Roy Hobbes League. I will get used to it . Now, can't we all just get along?
I want to apologize to Richard Lanarro for incorrectly identifying him as the player ejected from the game. I only had the number, not the name, and got it from an outdated Cardinals website. As for Herb, you just don't get it do you partner? Without opening a whole new discussion on a million meaningless issues, I would like to know just for myself to what list are you referring to that the Nationals were on, and, in the season and a half that you have been the manager of the Cardinals, and in the now 3 games we have played against you in that time, when, and at which field did you observe the Nationals not pitching in or doing our "duty" to help out, seeing that SUNY is the only field we as a league are supposed to take care of after a game? When you have the number of complaints against your team as you do, isn't it time to sit back and think maybe it is you and your teams actions and not the league? Just a thought.
